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Last night I was playing around when I should have been sleeping and I discovered that if you put your hands together during a 1.5 bt weave (or a not 1.5, or whatever it's called), the move turns into a neat butterfly pattern.
1) Do a forwards 1.5
2) Raise the bottom hand or lower the top hand so that they're together
3) Continue the 1.5 motions
4) The poi should now be doing a horizontal butterfly pattern
Has anyone else been playing with this?
1) Do a forwards 1.5
2) Raise the bottom hand or lower the top hand so that they're together
3) Continue the 1.5 motions
4) The poi should now be doing a horizontal butterfly pattern
Has anyone else been playing with this?
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Re: Hybrid 1.5s
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 8:52 AMI'm going to go play with that right now. Thanks for the idea! -
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Re: Hybrid 1.5s
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 9:29 AMSo, after playing with it for a little, it feels more like a split-time/same-time difference, except it has to do with hand placement and not timing. Or rather, the hand placement makes the difference, and the timing stays the same. I suppose from the definition of hybrid that refers to 2 driving styles, 1.5s are already hybrid (pendulum vs. regular spin). Either way, I like the feel of it. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Hybrid 1.5s
Tue, April 7, 2009 - 9:58 AMYep played with this type o thing, For instance a 5-beat variation.
What ya wanna do, as with just any poi pattern, is look at the pattern you are starting with, to determine what harmonic distance your hands are at in-plane: 0 unit apart, 1 unit apart, 2 units apart, etc... then try altering the pattern by maintaining other harmonic proportions.
Ie, you normally do 1.5s with a distance of 2 poi lengths (units), you can tell at a glance because the poi heads come together and meet in a straight line for a moment in the air, in-plane... which means that they are 2 units apart and can lock out into 2 adjacent circles.
try adjusting it so that they are 1 unit apart, to where you could almost catch the poi heads in each hand glowstringer style. If you lock out from here your circles overlap by a unit and trace a vesica pisces. You get a different look and feel... and different types of transitions potentially.
What the original post is talking about is bringing your hands together so that they are ~0 units apart, creating that butterfly or pacman type look and feel, once again with different transition potential.
This applie to all poi, not just 1.5s!!! -
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Re: Hybrid 1.5s
Tue, April 7, 2009 - 7:23 PMThanks for the responses Drex and Jon. The 1 unit apart 1.5s are what lead me to the 0 units apart ones. I also forgot all about butterfly ones. All in all I'm having a ton of fun with them.
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Re: Hybrid 1.5s
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 9:46 AMYep, I did a vid of this back in September (www.youtube.com/watch at 3:22). If you do the same thing with a butterfly 1.5 it looks like a split-time weave that switches directions and also makes for a great transition between opposite and same-direction motions (www.youtube.com/watch Try switching whether you're doing the standard 1.5 motion or the one you're describing depending on which side of your body the poi are on--some fun optical illusions can come out of it.
Another great approach to this is if your hands perform the 1.5 weave inside of a unit circle (that is, the distance between the pendulum hand and the circle hand are a poi-length apart--closer than the original position but not as close as what you're describing in your post), it's a great way to get into isolations as well.
I've been working for a while on trying to extrapolate as many patterns as possible from a 1.5 motion (and yes, I grok that they aren't truly 1.5s...has anybody come up with a better term yet?) and reading this it just hit me that one could truly play with "hybrid" 1.5s by mixing up the motions of standard hybrids with pendulums thrown in (for an Olive 2A, for example, what if your iso hand was rocking between iso hybrids rather than completing the circle? Or vice-versa and you completed the extension arc with a pendulum rather than a full-on circle--you can time it so that the extension hand moves past the iso hand while it is at the top of its arc--lining up the poi together)...hmm...this may take some woodshedding. -
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Re: Hybrid 1.5s
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 9:48 AM
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Re: Hybrid 1.5s
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 9:50 AMAnd...that sentence in the last paragraph should read rocking between iso pendulums, not hybrids...must learn to edit before posting :-P
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Re: Hybrid 1.5s
Mon, April 6, 2009 - 11:58 AMWow. This is good stuff, friend. Thanks!
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Re: Hybrid 1.5s
Sat, April 11, 2009 - 4:10 PMI ran into atomic 1.5's the other day.
based on the same theory of doing what your doing, keeping the hands together but still doing the 1.5 motion. the different is changing the plane into horizontal when the pendulum ends instead of going back to make the full circle. and as it crosses to the other side of your body and the pendulum reaches it's arc again you cause that one to be horizontal and the previous horizontal back into pendulum. with your hands together the your pendulum hand poi wick and the horizontal hand poi wick will meet at the point furthers from you which will be when you make the switch as to which one is penduluming and which one is atomizing ;oD
another cool thing to do is like that double staff butterfly move that goes around your head. but instead it's a 1.5 the hand doing the pendulum say is my left hand and the hand doing the circle is my right so its on the right side of my head when they arc together it's behind my head, then comes back around to the left side of my head when my right had is doing the pendulum.
that around the head thing works with ellipses too.
