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Not talking about the anti spin star of david where you're doing the tri foils one hand doing it with the single petal up other hand single petal down.
what i'm talking about is.
this.
so i'm in reverst butter fly antispin flower. i art a stall that meets right above my head. forcing the poi to go back in the opposite direction. instread of spinning them in like a circle i whip them under my arms horizontally (so i'm going from wall plane then atomicing) and stalling horizontally behind my back. which makes a triangle like shape.
then the trick is after that stall to corkscrew up so now the poi is above my arm then stall to a point down below my feets. yeah. i have some photos of clean (attempts) at this on my facebook i'll throw one up on my profile here on tribe.... it's just one triangle and a part of doing the corkscrew that allows me to do the 2nd triangle pattern cuz the shutter speed or exposure was set faster than it takes me to do this move (great for getting flowers but more time needed for this pattern...)
what i'm talking about is.
this.
so i'm in reverst butter fly antispin flower. i art a stall that meets right above my head. forcing the poi to go back in the opposite direction. instread of spinning them in like a circle i whip them under my arms horizontally (so i'm going from wall plane then atomicing) and stalling horizontally behind my back. which makes a triangle like shape.
then the trick is after that stall to corkscrew up so now the poi is above my arm then stall to a point down below my feets. yeah. i have some photos of clean (attempts) at this on my facebook i'll throw one up on my profile here on tribe.... it's just one triangle and a part of doing the corkscrew that allows me to do the 2nd triangle pattern cuz the shutter speed or exposure was set faster than it takes me to do this move (great for getting flowers but more time needed for this pattern...)
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Re: triangles / star of david
Sat, April 11, 2009 - 4:23 PManyone else work with anything along this line?
it's sort of in that cone theory label.
also i did post the imperfect picture i got. i need to get ahold of pictures taken the night after this..... crrrrrk -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Sat, April 11, 2009 - 4:24 PMthe picture looks alot better bigger. so clicky then clicky again if your interested at all in seeing what i'm talking boutzs
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Re: triangles / star of david
Wed, April 15, 2009 - 11:04 AMSo the sequence is:
From reverse/underhand wall plane butterfly stall both up, - 1
bring down directly into horizontal stalls behind you back below your arms (using plane bending), - 2&3
"corcscrew" to above your arms (stall horizontally again?), - 4&5
plane bend back to wall plane to stall both down. - 6
I just did it and watched it and I looks great, nice find! I like the way it blends different planes.
There are some options for what we can do at the horizontal "points." For symmetrical aesthetics, I would either do horizontal stalls both above and below the arms, or else just cut them both out and plane bend in and out of the corkscrew. I like the six stalls though, it emphasizes the points. I can't figure out how to go into behind the back horizontal stalls after the corkscrew with out turning 180, but I can do outwards horizontal stalls both before and after the corkscrew.
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Re: triangles / star of david
Wed, April 15, 2009 - 6:34 PMahh, i posted one of the photos up there. the shutter speed wasn't dead on so it just got one of the triangles.
i think with the corscrew part i dont horizontal stall (unless i'm doing a single triangle) i may have wrote that wrong up there ha! but it's the idea that counts neways. i just fling it from up stall to horizontal corkscrew stall back down.... to do the star of david... so like... when i'm up i go to under horizontal corkscrew back up (no stalls) until i go back and stall straight down (wall plane again) so yeah it's up wall plane, horizontal corkscrews down wallplane.
this is really funky working with split time. like.....
right hand stalls up while left hand stalls bottom. that way the corscrew is off and each hand is opposite and then they all end where the other began.
yeah i LOVE plane bendy atomic stuff.
another weird hard one. and you would think it's easier but maybe i've just practiced stalls too much lol.... but it's wall plane antispin four beat but you atomize two of the coordinates. right now i'm working on cleaning up this one. so four point anti spin, start with regular antispin left hand up right hand down, then you go from left hand behind right hand ahead and you antispin/plane bend into a horizontal circle, then you antispin/plane bend to left hand down right hand up and keep repeating that pattern. i would imagine it would make a spirally thing on camera. this is not to be fucked unless you really want to spend time on it(like contact juggling AHHH!) at least for me it's taking more time than i'd like. maybe i'll focus on that at some point tomorrow for a straight set amount of time...
just you mentioning that reminded me of that trick... i forgot i was working on that a few months ago then became sidetracked aha! moments of memory rock.
i'm thinking of making tech blogs soon now that i've found a videographer, get some of these crazy ideas out. heh. -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Wed, April 15, 2009 - 6:45 PMplease do! I have trouble visualizing from language. But once I get a visual of the idea, I seem to get it right away.
By "atomizing two of the coordinates", do you mean that out of the 4 petal positions that each hand creates, you do 2 regular and 2 horizontal, or do you mean that one of the 4 positions (which is done by 2 poi, hence 2 coordinates) of the antispin wallplane flower is atomized??? In other words, is it "vertical>horizontal>vertical>horizontal" or "vertical>vertical>vertical>horizontal"? -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Wed, April 15, 2009 - 7:39 PMit's left hand right hand verticle.... left hand right hand horizontal..... left hand right hand verticle.... left hand right had horizontal.
think of it like this....
then your hands and making a line up and down your doing a regular wheel plane antispin....
when your hand are making a line left to right you're going into vertical atomic... the atomic is the WHOLE MOVE....
like.....
when my arms are lined up horiztonal my poi are horizontal (therefore making a *bent/atomic*LINE to the audience i'm facing)
when my arms are lined up vertical i'm making a *bent/atomic* ANTISPIN PETAL
i was going to start off the videos with 1.5 theory stuff but now i think i'll do atomics....
i'm gonna go email the dude.
btw. yesterday sucked but today was awesome productive and inspiring.
thanks you too for giving a fuck and helping to keep tribe alive!
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Re: triangles / star of david
Thu, April 16, 2009 - 6:01 AMyour picture link didn't work. repost the link? Thanks. -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Thu, April 16, 2009 - 1:56 PMit's just the profile picture of mine. click on it. once again it's a bit dirty not clean on my part but the theory is there. workywork -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Thu, April 16, 2009 - 3:50 PMI think I just found it in the video on your profile @ about 3:10 or so? It's kinda hard to see what your hands are doing, but I definitely see a triangle being made. -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Thu, April 16, 2009 - 6:15 PMya, it's that video of facebook. i had been doing it for awhile with no idea the shape it made... har -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Thu, April 16, 2009 - 6:16 PMit gets into that whole cone theory
which is basically, you create a cone like spiral by doing a vertical stall and as it decends back you bring it to horizontal. that trianle thing is the first cool looking thing that i've seen come out of it. maybe there's more? -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Thu, April 16, 2009 - 6:40 PMOOOHHHH! I get it now. Off to learn. Thanks, friend.
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Re: triangles / star of david
Mon, May 4, 2009 - 1:41 PMhey lucas so i've been thinking about atomized triangles and tetrahedrons for awhile now I think I understand what you're getting at here. are you verticall stalling both hands along the bottom line of the triangle? if so do you think you could from the mid-point of the stall bring it up and then you'd have a square pyramid?
regardless this is now on my things to think about as my wrists heal :P -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Mon, May 4, 2009 - 2:11 PMi could see a square pyramid with a round base. which would be, the first stall then DOWN would create a triangle for the people looking in wheel plane, then if altered could do another circle then stall UP to create a 2nd triangle for the audience looking at your in wheel plane. all of which is making me think about that merkabah 3d star of david thing.... but hmm
wrists hurting? wraps? dude i fucked myself with these doubles contacts.... -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Mon, May 4, 2009 - 2:23 PMwell i'm thinking you can eliminate the need for a base if you do partial point isolations to do directional changes instead of needing to go into the cone, if that makes sense?
and yeah a night of multiball contact = 4 surgeries, and over a year of recovery so far thanks to impinged nerves -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Mon, May 4, 2009 - 6:03 PMoh fuck...... your talking like carpreal tunnel nerve pinches from working out contact juggling balls too hard?
dude. that sucks horribly.. man....... did you try any holsitic massage or stretching or anything.
i'm so sorry to hear that man. you were mad passionate about everything.....
wishing you the best brother.
what do you mean with point isolation, i'm unaware of that term .
this move is conical but to take it to something else that would be phat, especailly if we can keep it angled. i've been working on atomics for awhile and combineing plane bending with stalls is creating a whole new style or family i'm calling "angulars" so hit me up with the ideas. i've always found your ideas original and fresh, thanks! -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Tue, May 5, 2009 - 9:11 AMdocs.google.com/Doc so this is what I mean when referring to partial point isolations. basically what I'm talking about are staff antispin but now in this discussion we're atomicizing it and making it 3d, here is an older video of me demonstrating it in a proof of concept kind of way in 2d, www.youtube.com/watch
imagine instead of it being a flat wall plane but you have 3 angled planes converging at probably a point close to in front of you then along those three planes you can trace triangles,
umm...I realize I may have lost the plot a bit because I haven't worked out how to actually create a tetrahedron but this is the starting point!
and thanks man, hopefully now however, I am on the road to recovery and will be back fully recovered in like another 3-6 months! -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Tue, May 5, 2009 - 3:13 PMahhh. i was calling those linear isolations. word. after reading that and picking up the poi for a few seconds I actually started messing with those ;) tappin in. anyways. i would do one of those to line out, then when reaching the top atomize, fall, atomize again to horizontal. which would create a + sign staff like pattern but with poi....
then there is doing that as complete line isos, or elliptical stall antispin thing.. hmm -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Mon, June 1, 2009 - 11:24 PMdrax just showed me this move i think its irridiculus! -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Tue, June 2, 2009 - 9:16 AMI've heard of this Drax kid...he's a no-talent blowhard. Seriously, I wouldn't take anything he showed you seriously ;) -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 11:53 AMI wish i had one of those 180 degree camera rigs.
I want to get a picture of a 3d +
could you modify your star to make the full 3d version?
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Re: triangles / star of david
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 2:15 PMi was just talking with christian insignia about utilizing metatrons cube (3d version) as a template for generating complete control of all.
poi has a roundness that would make it harder to do than with staff. with poi i can make lines from one vantage point but it's harder without doing linear isolations or quick whip stalls.
just because i haven't done it doesn't mean it can be done. busy life right now and i'm feeling contact ball,foot movement, and staff a little more than poi... but def food for thought.
you should work on it, even if you don't think you can.... at the very least you'd develop a shit ton of control.... probably come up with some awesome looking patterns as well
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Re: triangles / star of david
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 2:17 PM(btw, i'm aware that the pic you posted is the 3d star of david that some people call merkabah. it is contained inside of metatrons cube ;) --- so it would encompass that and everything... metatrons cube = my main pic on facebook and THIS upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...cube.jpg -
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Re: triangles / star of david
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 8:37 PMBad Ass.
It hurts my head to grasp the 3d epicness of the cube as a whole.
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