new ideas from fire drums?

topic posted Mon, May 4, 2009 - 6:05 PM by  Lucas
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anything? or are we running out of freshness at this point?

maybe i should finally go to home of poi or fire garden, but that would mean more time wasting talking about spinning than actually spinning.....
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Richmond
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  • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

    Mon, May 4, 2009 - 10:45 PM
    learned some really cool new variations of isolated antispins, and some really smooth transitions from cyrille humen at FD.

    check out his vids, the dude is so good its really hard to keep up with while hes trying to teach u
  • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

    Tue, May 5, 2009 - 1:55 PM
    I learned a theory behind stall plane changes. Also, watching people like Alien Jon, Zan, Baz, etc. was a nice reminder that no matter how much I learn, there is always more to learn. Thank you for being superhuman pioneers of infinite possiblities, everyone.

    =)
  • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

    Tue, May 5, 2009 - 3:25 PM
    The plane-changing stalls were definitely a big thing this year. A guy named G from the UK was showing off some incredible stall sequences that would go through every plane of a box. Cyrille's geometry class was definitely a highlight--it illuminated a lot of things that weren't obvious from the document he has floating around out there. I think I now know more things I can do with a CAP than a weave. Baz had some sweet combos and Alien Jon's inswing class had a ton of stuff in it I'd never even heard of before ;)

    I'll probably think of more later, but my head is still swimming from all the stuff it accumulated over the weekend.
  • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

    Tue, May 5, 2009 - 5:27 PM
    uhhh....

    stalls
    especially the trendy helecopter stall, over the head thing.

    some really interesting Pendulum - trefoil hybrid combinations, and baz's link to and from caps.

    and from meg
    angel rolls with a propeller at each armpit! fucking hell
    • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

      Tue, May 5, 2009 - 6:50 PM
      angel rolls propeller armpit... vertical too i imagine... wild....

      wtf = caps?

      i already do a ton of stalls so i think i'm set. hopefully being in my own little world keeps me away from tendy stuff... lol i wonder if i'm still considered "good" lol

      OUT OF STEP WITH THE LINGO NOW! damn!
      hahahah
      • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

        Tue, May 5, 2009 - 6:53 PM
        CAPs = this: www.youtube.com/view_play_list

        Basically a bisected triquetra or 4-petal antispin flower vs. extension hybrid.
        • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

          Tue, May 5, 2009 - 7:15 PM
          oh i call those scissors lol
          • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

            Tue, May 5, 2009 - 7:20 PM
            scissors = really cool to at the antispin point in the middle (far right) in that video is to stall where the poi meet in that furthest out antispin, and then go atomic into horizontal plane, spin to the left horizontal stall, then cap out on the other side

            rawr! i feel cool again! i haven't gotten to spin with baz or jon in forever! and i've never met tank, glad to see tank make a post for awhile, last time i heard from him he was in hawaii, i love the crazy lives we live!

            WINE is making me HAPPY now! FUCK YES.

            drex, explain shit to me the next time i see you ! THANKS!
    • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

      Tue, May 5, 2009 - 7:17 PM
      is the helicopter thing like some corkscrew stall?

      and it seems like people are digging the stall switch between wheel/wall/horizontal plane?
      • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

        Wed, May 6, 2009 - 12:55 AM
        C.A.P. = Continuous Assembly Pattern. And, yes, the helicopter thing is basically going from wheel or wall plane to horizontal plane via a horizontal stall. You're still good. Keep spinning! =)
        • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

          Wed, May 6, 2009 - 4:23 PM
          uh...no its not, for a slight variation of the helecopter stall thing watch gregs segment in vulcan tech blog #1.




          and as for new ideas post fire drums...
          unit circle pattern - your hand changes direction after half a pattern.


          you can either get
          fangs - cateye on one end, isolation on the other.

          or some weird lense shape - cateye one side, extention the other.

          see yall next year >.<
          • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

            Wed, May 6, 2009 - 5:07 PM
            i got an idea for a contact style move on my mind.
            from reverse butterfly
            lift up one knee,
            poi from that side swings under leg and stalls(contact juggling style)
            on top of your leg.
            the other poi swings under your neck and does a cj stall on the back of your neck.
            throw both handles around and catch each in the hand opposite the one that threw it.
            I'll play with it more when i take the contact balls i got at fd and make some poi out of them.

            Also in my head
            -Alternating which arms are weaving during a two person weave
            -Three person interlocking weaves
            (triforce style)
            -continued horizontal line isos
            -360s while maintaining a pattern only in front or back wallplane
            (bth spirals, polyrhythyms, etc.)
            -antispin star in X shape with every petal tip in back wallplane(includes a bth pendulum)


            I'll probably have more later
            • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

              Wed, May 6, 2009 - 6:26 PM
              that's a crazy styled move. that would be contact poi with no counter weights.... i have trouble doing contact juggling inspired moves with counter weights (i do alot of throttles and whip catches which are nearly impossible without counters) but that sounds sick, would take some time....

              i need to get horizontal line isos, i'm so close to having sick star like patterns and that is the missing link. still trying to get continued verts too. i don't play with poi enough hmmmm

              stars can happen with stalls, breaking planes, and line isos...

              dude, you should move over to staff foe shoe, you would LOVE doubles... i could sell you some (or you could make your own) or you could just buy em from the same places everyone else does

              but seriously..... doubles staves(pattern) and poi feed eachother intensely. i'd like to see what you would come up with after getting the basics down (which wouldn't take long considering where you're at with poi)
              rahrahrah
          • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

            Wed, May 6, 2009 - 6:21 PM
            ah is this the end of tankboys day and a half of communicating with people outside or his person <^>(x-x)<^>

            i need the thief ideas, fangs stuff sounds good, haven't thought of it yet, werd.

            have you fucked with doubles contactstaff at all? i hope to have backside steve front side steve same time soon. and the caged tracer jesus is gnarly.
  • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

    Thu, May 7, 2009 - 2:23 AM
    The plane changing flowers that move through all three of the major ninety degree vertical and horizontal planes are definitely one of my favorite new concepts I learned this year. The mighty G I think is the main cause of perpetrating that revelation. The major variation we worked with was Wheel - Wall - Horizontal - Wheel - Wall - Horizontal. Making it a six beat flower in total (twelve if you count each hand as different petals since they actually go through different paths, at least the way I do it).

    I haven't tried this yet but I've been thinking about ways to make the flowers both plane changing and have each beat be atomic. The visual pattern it creates when I imagine the flower masters doing it gives me happy shivers. Especially when the whole thing continuously rotates.
    The first variation I am going to try is:
    Right hand -- Wheel - Wall - Horizontal - Wheel - Wall - Horizontal --
    Left hand -- Wall - Horizontal - Wheel - Wall - Horizontal - Wheel --

    I will be working on figuring out all the variations on that stuff over the next few months and will post findings on the poi Theory of Everything pages.

    Next awesome thing; while Alien Jon's workshop on it was amazing, partner poi did not blow up as much as I had hoped it would. Interactive dance is still my favorite aspect of the art form right now.

    Going to go out and dance now. Will talk more latter.
    • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

      Thu, May 7, 2009 - 2:48 AM
      I can't actually figure out a smooth way to go from the last wall petal to the final horizontal petal (before the pattern starts over), because the body gets in the way...
    • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

      Thu, May 7, 2009 - 11:41 AM
      where is the horizontal petal ? in front of you?
      • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

        Thu, May 7, 2009 - 10:54 PM
        I am doing the pattern so that my first horizontal petal with the right hand is behind me and my first left horizontal is in front of me.

        The guideline I use to help me understand it is that every time I return to a plane I have already been on, I want the anti-spin to continue going the same direction as it was in the previous beat I did in that plane.
  • Re: new ideas from fire drums?

    Thu, May 7, 2009 - 12:01 PM
    nothing new for me, exactly, just re-inspired to play with poi again after some time spent in hoop-land. understand CAPs now, and a better understanding of inside planes & inversions thanks to Alien Jon & Jordan's 'shops. all the crazy stall/plane change action i'm psyched to explore thanks to G.

    oh, and clubs. :-)

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