Mercedes how-to

...and yeah "Olives math" is a silly mutation of that bit in that other thread where you talked about "doing the math". I love how these conversations mutate into silly ideas. The confusion is both Hilarious and helps breed new ideas. Luca would be proud!

for peeps who haven't read the techpoi.tribes hybrid thread:

techpoi.tribe.net/thread/78...d54c0dc644

Got your point Baz :)

I just don't agree w/ the "hands together" pre-requisite for "classic hybrid"
and I'll explain what I understood from Andy's approach:

To make an AndyBrid, you spin a giant with a shorter poi & an isolation with a long poi.
this difference in poi length is here to make both circles match in overall pattern shape, (as it looks more impressive and .... is even harder to execute)
The main visual effect has always been that when you move your hands same-time (1A hands together) the poi move split-time, when you move your hands split-time (2A hands appart) the poi move same-time.
When I say hands split-time, both of your arm are not stretched (as in standard extended pirouette), as you're doing a super tough move using some isolation. They're just appart from each other, moving like when you do same-time wall-plane isolated weaving (gotta take some time to dissect Ronan's video so that I can give you the timeline of each move)

What's less obvious - as it was first shown by Andy in "weave" - is that this property is also valid in butterfly (where your hands are really NOT together)
So try to do it in butterfly, and you'll experience that
when you move your hand from side to side (they are kinda translating from side to side in alternate, ie, in split-time) your poi butterfly will look same-time (crossover point / pattern intercepting UP & DOWN)
and vice versa, if you move your hand up & down (same time butterfly hand movement), your poi will look split-time butterfly (crossover point / pattern intercepting side to side)

Now to compare it to composites ;) ...
- The way Andy showed them at the time, was stationnary/static pattern; thought you can move it around (Rob/Bluecat has a video of an AndyBrid foutain on fire; and I think PineApplePete has something similar too, but not fully isolated).
- As you're isolating, your arms are not stretched !
Whereas with hybrid flowers I'm trying to mix Nick's style of body move (extended arms circling/pirouetting) with different driving-style combination.

So far I've mostly experience these flower up to {giant, spin/nips} combination, as isolation is really a different story ;) Especially that it implies another level in polyrythmy
Same for Alien's UC Hybrid, as his driving styles (cat's eye ..) are uber difficult

conclusion: better start learning them without the isolation
{pendulum, spin} then {giant, spin}
when you master these, then move toward the next step, in driving-style combination:
- {giant, isolation}
- badass Unit Circles Alien technology
- moving around an AndyBrid

When we say unit circle, in most cases we are talking about the smallest possible circle the poi can make which would be an isolation?

Am I wrong?