Virtual planes... virtual photons... pions decaying into split-time quantum coupled electrons... blahblahgriblblatherhahahaha.... Damn you Adam Dipert and your physics, and planting idea seeds like this in my head.

OK, I'm better now: so yes I think you are changing planes locally throughout the movement, but your frames are still probably within the bounds of parallel spinning.

If the poi are staying in parallel planes throughout the movement then it is like tracing a spiral along the surface of a conic or cylindrical volume. A cone and/or cylinder is of course a stack of parallel circles. At any point if you stop your movement along the axis of rotation (moving perpendicular to spin) your new plane is parallel with your older one. Since traditional compound circle movement and pendulums are all in-plane that is all still the same model. The more complicated the movement gets the more you have to move your body around to frame the poi in these parallel planes without bending planes. In practice some plane bending is usually going on with most spinners, but as long as this levels back out to parallel with in a safe frame then you are over all still in "flatland" so to speak. If you break those local safe frames then you transition into the realm of atomics, trinity, box planes, just plane old 3d gibberish, etc.

Hurray for 3d gibberish! No matter how your planes are oriented to each other , they are still expressed in 3 spatial dimensions, one time dimension. 3 spatial can be expressed in Cartesian coordinates with 6 rays (3 negative, 3 positive directions) or it can be expressed ala Bucky Fuller: 4 rays, each shooting out the corners of an infinitesimal tetrahedron, which might be an interesting way to view volumetric trinity... wait a sec, 4 rays non of which are parallel?! Hmm, maybe we are already not 3-dimensional after all. >_<

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-Alien Jon

I think baz you're straying into differential geometry where instead of having a fixed axes or "fixed" within the universe the axese are just in relation to the poi themselves (like defining axes as normal/tangent vectors of some curve).

I was playing with I think what jon was talking about when he means 3d planes when you talk aout spiraling planes and keeping the same points of rotation would that essentially boil down to constantly changing planes within the context of say a standard 3 beat weave or whatever move you want, as I was doing that and it definitely felt interesting as you stray into the atomics and out of them and like you said the feeling of constantly stalling and accelerating you get is very very cool.